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Anna
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« on: September 02, 2006, 02:31:32 PM »

I was wondering if it's possible to mix your own black with Procion MX dyes. I don't often use black, and right now I'm out.  But I do have other dyes.  I know the Procion black is a mix of dyes, so I was wondering if I could just mix up small amounts.

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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2006, 04:52:41 PM »

I was wondering if it's possible to mix your own black with Procion MX dyes. I don't often use black, and right now I'm out.  But I do have other dyes.  I know the Procion black is a mix of dyes, so I was wondering if I could just mix up small amounts.

It's a lot of trouble to mix a black for yourself. Maybe you should just work with the colors you have for now, until your next dye order arrives with some new black.

It's not practical to mix black if you are starting with only light, bright colors, such as turquoise MX-G and yellow MX-8G. You would have to use such a huge concentration of dye that you would not be able to get it all onto the fabric in just one round of dyeing.

To mix black, you need to start with dull, dark mixing primaries. Start with a dark navy. The easiest navy to find is Blue MX-2G, which ProChem calls mixing blue and Jacquard and Dharma call cobalt blue. There are other single-hue navies in the MX line, but they are harder to find. You can start with a pre-mixed navy blue if that's what you have on hand; it will contain mostly a single-hue navy, anyway, plus one or two other dyes. Use a lot of it. You need to end up with two to four times as much dye, per cup, as you would normally use for other colors.

Once you have your navy, add the dullest color you have that's opposite on the color wheel. The opposite of blue is orange. If you have any brown MX-GRN, which ProChem calls burnt orange and Jacquard calls rust orange, use that. If you don't, you can use a bright orange MX-2R, which ProChem calls strong orange, Jacquard calls brilliant orange, and Dharma calls deep orange. Or just add any orange or golden sort of yellow you have on hand, until you get the color right. If the color is too greenish, add some red. If it's too purple, add some yellow. Just keep the color wheel in mind, and add whatever the 'opposite' (complementary) color is. It takes a lot of trial and error to mix your own perfectly balanced black. That's why most of us buy our blacks pre-mixed. It can be done, though, if you have some dull, dark colors on hand.

You cannot tell for sure by looking at it exactly what color your mixture of dyes is. If you paint it on a piece of test fabric, it may look like a true black, but then one color might wash out a bit more than another, so what you end up with is not quite black, but more of a dark navy, or dark brown, or dark purple, or dark green. You need to actually dye some fabric of the same fiber content that you are planning to dye, as a test, wash it out, and see how it looks. It's like making sausage: you can't taste-test the raw meat, so you have to cook some up in order to judge how to correct the seasoning. If you don't want to leave the fabric to react overnight as usual, pop it into a plastic bag and heat it briefly in a microwave oven until it is very hot, watching closely so you can stop the cooking before the bag bursts with the steam. (NOTE: the fabric must be wet. Dry fabric will catch on fire if you microwave it!) Let it sit for a few minutes being very hot, then, after it cools a bit, wash it out by hand in hot water, perhaps using a strainer to keep the small swatch of fabric from going down the drain of the sink, until the water runs colorless, so you can see what color it is.

My own favorite fiber reactive black is the remazol black, because it is a single color, instead of a mixture like the Procion MX blacks, so it does not separate out into different colors.

Paula
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2006, 06:40:11 AM »

Thank you so much for the great info. I think I will wait for my dye order to come in the mail.  I bought Dharma's Better Black based on the info on their site.  Sometime I will try to mix my own black, but it sounds like a project all in itself.

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Anna
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2006, 10:12:21 AM »

Hi I use black and was having problems with fuchsia dots, floating big particles..I did as someone said and filtered it through a sock. It worked great!!! But now do I need to add some fuchsia to make up for it? I've been adding some navy too, it's cheaper and I like the blue halo I get better than gray....
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2006, 10:34:19 AM »

Hi I use black and was having problems with fuchsia dots, floating big particles..I did as someone said and filtered it through a sock. It worked great!!! But now do I need to add some fuchsia to make up for it? I've been adding some navy too, it's cheaper and I like the blue halo I get better than gray....

It's true that filtering out fuchsia particles means that you'll have less fuchsia than was the original intention when the dye was mixed. So much for the dye seller's claim that there's no need to worry about clumping fuchsia from bad batches of dye, if you only filter all of your dye solutions before use! But the amount lost might be too little to matter, if you're lucky. Did the color you got look too greenish?

I will not buy dye mixtures from a company that has been repeatedly reported to sell dye mixtures that contain fuchsia dye particles that fail to dissolve and have to be filtered out. There seems less of a problem with this with some dye sellers than others. Sometimes you may just have to throw out a bad batch of premixed dye in favor of a new one.

Sometimes there's a problem even if you filter out the undissolved dye particles. Sometimes even filtered dye develops more particles, as some of the fuchsia that is already dissolved settles out of solution. It's all a question of the quality and freshnes of the batch of fuchsia dye that was used to mix the dye you bought.

When you're mixing your own colors, it makes sense to substitute red MX-5B for red MX-8B. The colors are pretty close, and no one so far has complained of any problem of red dots being produced by undissolved particles of red MX-5B.

Paula
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